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8th May 2025

Divorce Is Not the End: How to Grow, Heal, and Reclaim Your Joy

In this episode, Lesa shares her experiences and insights on empowering women through challenging times, particularly focused on divorce. Emphasizing the importance of amicable separations when possible, she discusses the difficulties and emotional challenges that accompany divorce. Lesa also highlights how embracing and sitting with your sadness, alongside maintaining gratitude, can lead to personal growth and a better future. She encourages listeners to see divorce as an opportunity for change and improvement, and offers her support through consultations to help navigate these hard times. Additionally, she introduces an upcoming guest, Tammy Wallensak, who will share her inspiring story of overcoming adversity.

00:00 Introduction and Personal Update

00:08 Empowering Women and Divorce Consultations

01:44 Challenges in Amicable Divorces

02:54 Embracing and Processing Sadness

03:57 Gratitude and Personal Growth

04:14 Advice for Married Couples and Parents

07:01 Raising Resilient Children

08:00 Hope and Responsibility in Hard Times

08:50 Conclusion and Upcoming Episodes

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Transcript
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Welcome listeners.

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I just wanted to pop into doing Divorce

different and see how y'all were doing.

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I'm spending a lot of time in Saddle

Up live these days helping women, feel

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more empowered, helping 'em through

menopause stuff, but I'm still doing

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my divorces because I still wanna help

people and I wanna help you through

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hard times It's hard to not, I'm

sitting here in my whimsy sweatshirt

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because I got to spend a couple of days

with Bob Goff, who's an amazing man.

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If you don't know him, look

him up, but he'll make you feel

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loved and happy and inspired.

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I flew in last night and I'm sitting

in my barn and I had a early consult

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Darling, I just wanna let you know, I know

not everyone can do a divorce amicably,

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but I have the most precious clients.

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Those are the only clients that

I work with, and I will help you

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if you need help and you can't do

it because there are times when

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you can't work together for one.

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You both have to agree to work together.

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It's voluntary, and so if

one person doesn't wanna do

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it, you don't have a choice.

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you can be as amicable as

you can, but you're probably

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gonna have to hire attorneys.

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the clients that come to me for

consultations, and I'm telling you,

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you can go to my website, schedule a

consultation with me, no matter what

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state you're in, and I will help you.

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I will talk you through your options.

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I won't be giving out a lot of legal

information from other states, but I

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can give you general information and

I can help you get your feet down the

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right path, for options that you have.

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So here's the deal.

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You probably can't work together if one

of you is a narcissist or just a jerk.

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you can't probably work together

if one person feels like they don't

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have a voice and they're overpowered.

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But if you're two fairly decent people

who are willing to work together through

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a divorce, please take a stab at it.

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I will hold your hand.

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Whether you are working with me through

the divorce or if you're working

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with a mediator in another state or

divorce attorneys, I want to help you

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figure out what your true values are.

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And I know I say this I should give

it credit to someone, but where

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you end one thing or how you end

one thing is how you begin another.

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If you can end your marriage

on a high note baby, you're

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gonna go into that next phase.

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Way better off.

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This doesn't mean that it's.

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Not hard and that you're

gonna suffer and I hate it.

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People.

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I have spent my life and I mean,

I raised my poor children trying

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to keep them from feeling pain.

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I wanted to help people through divorce

so they wouldn't have to suffer.

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I.

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And then I got hit over the head with

something that was suffering and I

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had to learn how to deal with it.

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And you know what I did?

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I had to sit in it and I thought I had

all this self-coaching, and truly that

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did help me that I had done all that work.

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But truly, it took a long, long time of

just sitting with the sadness and then.

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As I sat with that sadness, so like

you guys, if you're maybe sad that your

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spouse wants a divorce or sad, just sad

that you are asking for the divorce and

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you're hurting someone, just sit in it and

feel it and don't put a timeframe on it.

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I don't know how long it's gonna take you,

but I do want you to be open to blessings.

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So that gratitude stuff,

that's not a joke.

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Like being thankful for what you have.

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Everybody has something

to be thankful for.

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If you have a pillow under your

head at night, relish that focus.

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Start focusing on that.

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I want this.

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I want you to stay married if you can.

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You know that I believe in marriage.

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I've been married to

Johnny Cakes for 34 years.

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I want you to stay married

if you can, and if you can't.

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I want you to keep a loving, I want

you to forgive because it's gonna help

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you, and I want you to use this as an

opportunity because I did, I used my

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really hard thing as an opportunity

to a better life, and now I kind of

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get to feel like, like remember when

you were a kid and you went to summer

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camp and you ran around and played

with a bunch of kids and it was fun.

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I'm starting to feel that again.

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I'm starting to let go of the

people pleasing and, doing

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things just 'cause they're fun.

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And so I want you to have that hope.

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If you are sitting dreading where

you are right now, hang in there.

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Love yourself because you know what?

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You are precious and you are

loved, and you are so worth worthy.

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You are worthy of all the good things

and you've got dreams in your head,

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and they might, may not match what,

what this world's dreams are for you.

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But you hold on to that and

you use this as an opportunity.

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Use it as an opportunity to grow.

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Think of going through something difficult

like this is going to teach you so much

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about how to communicate with someone,

how to go through something hard with

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someone you maybe don't like very much.

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How to do it a better way.

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And you know what?

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Maybe you're gonna turn

around and help other people.

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If people can watch how you do

this differently, how you do

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your divorce differently, you

could start to change the world.

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Especially if you have children,

they are going to be watching you

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Are you kidding me?

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Who wants their parents to get divorced?

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No one, no one does.

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I mean, I don't know.

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I shouldn't say that.

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I have met people where there's like

abusive situations and they were so

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proud of their other parent for leaving

and moving on because it gave, it gave

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everyone a, you know, it was courageous.

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So I can't say that, but

in most situations, yeah,

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your kids are gonna suffer.

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Their lives are gonna change.

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And you know what?

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They didn't ask for it either.

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but.

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that does not mean that they

cannot reap a benefit from this.

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Let them sit with their feelings

and watch them and love them.

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And if you can both stay together, loving

them and working together as parents,

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that is what's gonna help them the most.

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your kids.

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Get to learn at an early age how

to go through something hard, and

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they get to watch you go through

something hard and observe it.

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And if you can be open to them and letting

them feel their feelings and helping them

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have gratitude and see opportunities.

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You may just raise the most amazing,

resilient children out there.

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And it doesn't mean that they're not

going to have good relationships.

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You are gonna start showing them right

now how to have good relationships,

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how to set up boundaries, how

to live a full, joyful life.

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So I can't take away the suffering

that you're gonna go through.

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And I wish that I could, but I can't.

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I kind of don't want to because

it's what's going to help you

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grow, and that's what I want.

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I want you to have a

better life after this.

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So I do want to give you hope

because you have the opportunity

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to use this for good and you can.

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It's up to you.

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This is your responsibility.

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You can spin out and wallow.

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Or you can use it as an opportunity.

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And I have, when I said cement out,

when I went through my really hard,

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I had to go on anxiety medication.

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I'm not, I'm saying you do

whatever you need to do.

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It doesn't mean that.

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And, and of course I did surrender

to God and that that made all

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the difference in my entire life

to just trust him and let it go.

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So you, you do what you need to do.

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To make this an opportunity

to a better life.

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And then I want you to get ahold

of me, and I wanna have you on

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this podcast so that you can

share what you've gone through.

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In fact, next week

we've got, Tammy Wallen.

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Zach coming on.

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This is a really quick episode.

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The next week will be longer.

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she's gonna share.

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Her life and she did it a better way,

and she's doing amazing and you can too.

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So never give up on your hope

and know that you are loved.

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And if you need me, you can find me.

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Go to lisa koski.com.

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Just hit start here.

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Just schedule a consult.

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If you wanna chat with me for 30

minutes, I'm here for you and I

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wanna help you so you take good care.

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About the Podcast

Doing Divorce Different A Podcast Guide to Doing Divorce Differently
Divorce, co-parenting, menopause, marriage, and starting over after 40—Doing Divorce Different is your guide to a healthy, faith filled life transition.

Hosted by Family Law Attorney and Mediator Lesa Koski, Doing Divorce Different is a candid, empowering podcast designed to take the fear out of divorce and guide you toward peace—whether you’re navigating a split, working to stay married, or rebuilding a better life after a major transition. Each week, Lesa brings heart-centered legal insight, emotional support, and holistic wisdom to help you heal, grow, and thrive.

We cover everything from amicable divorce and co-parenting strategies to parenting plans that actually work and support kids in thriving through change. You’ll learn how to prepare for marriage with prenups, revisit your relationship with post-nuptial agreements, and understand what it really takes to stay married or rekindle love after a rough season. If you're in the midst of a grey divorce, wondering how to not get divorced, or questioning whether love can be found again, this show is for you.

Lesa also explores the emotional and physical changes that often accompany midlife and major life shifts. From navigating the impact of menopause on your health, marriage, and mood, to dealing with the loneliness that can come after divorce or empty nesting, you’ll find honest conversations that don’t shy away from real-life challenges. And for those of you in your 40s, 50s, or beyond, you’ll discover what it means to truly build a better life after 40.

Health and wellness are deeply integrated into this journey. Lesa shares insights on the benefits of rest, joy, nutrition, fasting, protein, and bone health, along with the power of movement, community, and exercise to support mental clarity and physical strength. You’ll learn how to take care of yourself with intention—because healing isn’t just emotional, it’s also biological.

Mindset work and self-coaching are recurring tools offered in episodes to help you reframe your story and shift from fear to freedom. And through it all, the show honors the role of faith, spiritual surrender, and letting God lead you through every season. Whether you're leaning into your relationship with God for the first time or deepening a lifelong practice, you’ll hear how surrender can bring peace even in the hardest moments.

You’ll hear real stories from people who have done divorce differently, saved their marriages, or found new love and purpose on the other side. Lesa also brings in conversations about marriages that have stood the test of time, co-parenting through complex seasons, and the realities of parenting after separation while maintaining stability for your kids.

This is not just a podcast about divorce. Doing Divorce Different is about taking back your life, rewriting your future, and trusting that you’re not starting over, you’re starting better. If you’re craving practical advice, soul-level encouragement, and real conversations about creating a healthy, joyful, purpose-driven life, you’ve found your community.

Subscribe now and join Lesa Koski for weekly episodes that will help you grow stronger in your relationships, your health, and your faith, no matter where you’re starting from.

About the Host:
I’ve spent over 25 years helping families navigate amicable divorce as a lawyer and mediator, always focused on protecting what matters most—your kids and your peace of mind. But my mission has expanded. Today, I support women over 40 not just through endings, but in building stronger relationships—and sometimes even saving their marriages. I’m a breast cancer survivor, a cowgirl at heart, a wellness advocate, and a follower of Jesus. My life and faith fuel my passion for helping women thrive.

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