Redefining Divorce: Compassionate Law and Holistic Support with Kimberly Miller

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Welcome listeners.

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I am very excited to have you here today.

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I have someone that's new in

my life that's like kind of

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living in a parallel universe.

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I have Kimberly Miller and Kimberly.

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I'm so excited to find out more

about you because dear listeners,

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she is also an attorney.

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You're also a marriage

and family therapist.

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I think you said you have three kiddos.

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I have three kiddos.

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I'm gonna step up.

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I've got some grandkids too.

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I think yours are in college.

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We're not there yet.

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Not yet.

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But Kimberly, I wanna welcome you

and I want to get to know you better.

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I want the listeners to

get to know you better.

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So I know that you live in St.

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Paul and I know that you, um,

have a new, something called part

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wise that we're gonna talk about

that helps people through divorce.

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But can you give me your background on

how, what'd you become first a lawyer

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or a marriage and family therapist?

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Speaker 2: Uh, great question and

thank you so much for having me today.

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Um, I did start my career as a lawyer.

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Okay.

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That was the first step.

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Um, and I had sort of a unique, I

was working for a big law firm doing

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business litigation, uh, and I was

walking by a courtroom in, in Hennepin

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County, and a judge who knew me.

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Saw me walk past and he called me

into the courtroom and he introduced

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me to my new pro bono client.

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He had somebody in front of him who really

needed representation, and I looked around

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and realized I was in family court and

I thought, oh my gosh, I do not know

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what this is or how to handle this.

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It was so different than anything

that I'd ever done before.

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Uh, but I grew to love family law and

became the go-to pro bono family law.

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You know, attorney at this firm.

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And I found that I loved that

work and wanted to just continue

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to do that and do that on my own.

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So that, that was my first step.

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Uh, but as, as I'm sure you

know, once you get into it,

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divorce is family law in general.

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It's one part law, but it feels

much more to me, emotional,

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relational, and financial.

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Um, so.

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Coming from a family that highly values

education, I decided to take one class

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on family systems so I could learn

about dynamics and how a divorce or

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a shift in those relationships kind

of impacts the whole family system.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I'm.

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Sucker for education.

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So I just stuck with it.

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And so that was about 20 years, 18

years ago, I became a marriage and

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family therapist, uh, and did the year

practicum and I actually did a thousand

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hours of therapy where I was providing

therapy to families and really just

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found that it greatly enhanced my

ability to provide legal services and

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really just help families through this

transition as they're moving from, you

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know, one family to, to two households.

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Speaker: Yep.

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Hats off to you because, oh, you said that

was, did you say that was 20 years ago?

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Speaker 2: I'm, I'm

doing the math wrong now.

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I bet.

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So I'm a lawyer I bet.

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Whatever, almost 25 years ago.

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Yeah.

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But at least it was about 12 years

ago, I think, when I started my,

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my financial, uh, or my marriage

and family therapy program.

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Speaker: Okay.

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I, I, I love that.

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So.

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You went, you became a therapist because

it helped you understand the work you were

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doing be, I mean, that's really awesome.

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My, I kind of was backwards from you.

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I did the master's and then I went to

law school, but family law found me too.

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It wasn't what I was

thinking I was gonna do.

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Um, but it is, it is

such, uh, it's rewarding.

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It's hard, but to be able to help

those families work together and I.

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Would love to, you know, pick your

brain a little bit about the dynamics.

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We know how much it affects children

and how I love to do things amicably,

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but tell me about, so your prac, tell me

about your practice and then I wanna get

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into part wise and why you started that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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So my practice, uh, when I, those early

years of doing pro bono family law

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work were almost always court based.

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They were really contentious.

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There was a lot of domestic

violence or safety issues, things

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in which you really do need.

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And I do believe there are certain

circumstances in which you need the

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safety and protections of court.

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Um, so that was my early

experiences with family law was.

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In a courtroom and in really contested,

very adversarial situations, I quickly

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realized there was another way to do it.

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And for lots and lots of families,

the ability to work together, come

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up with resolutions outside of

court was really appealing to me.

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So that was where I think the

marriage and family therapy

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degree became so helpful in those.

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That expertise.

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Um, and I also do, I'm also a

certified financial planner.

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Yes.

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That was a number of years later.

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I felt like I wanted more

of that financial expertise.

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But with regard to the question of, you

know, how it impacts families, family

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law is so unique in that you can.

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Contract around the law.

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I mean, there's no other area in which

what the law says, we can basically say,

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yeah, that is what a court would do,

but we wanna do something different.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I think it provides a really unique

opportunity to come up with better

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outcomes for the families if we can just

provide that safe space where both sides

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feel like they have the support that

they need, whatever that might look like.

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Mm-hmm.

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It might be a lawyer, it

might be a coach, it might be.

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Two coaches and two financial planners,

like whatever support they need, if

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they can make decisions for themselves.

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Being out of court provides

us this opportunity to be

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creative because the law.

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Yep.

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I love that.

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Law is the, yeah, the law is the

legislature's best guess at what will

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work for a majority of the families, but

your unique outcome is what works best

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for you and I always, the parents or the

two people going through this are going

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to be the best architects of that future.

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We just have to help

guide them through that.

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Speaker: Right.

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And what I love Kimberly, is I love

having that legal background and I

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always recommend, um, whether people

are going to a mediator, you know,

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or, or however they're doing it, that

they do have someone that has that

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legal background so that you can at

least understand the parameters of the

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law so you're not willy-nilly putting

something together and not explaining why.

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I just always, I say, yes, you.

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I haven't had anyone ever run

into any trouble as long as

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they explain why they're doing

something and they're clear on it.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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So now Kimberly, do you represent one

person or are you doing mediations?

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I'm, I don't even know.

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I.

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Speaker 2: It's a good, yeah, I

used to, I used to be more of what I

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call an aligned advocate, you know,

where I was aligned with one party.

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Um, and I did that in

collaborative law settings.

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I did that as a representative in

mediations representing one party or,

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um, just in settlement focused work.

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Uh, but over the last two or three

years while I've been developing

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part wise, I've tried to figure out.

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What do I like to do?

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I mean, so this is hard work.

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I always tell clients like they

go through this once, but the

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professionals who do this work,

you know, we might go through it.

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I mean, I've gone through it 900 times,

like I've worked on over 900 cases.

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That is not always, um,

easy on the professionals.

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So I find that I really enjoy

working in a neutral setting.

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Uh, so right now my, my legal work is

all as a mediator, um, or a financial

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neutral working with families as they're

going through like a collaborative

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or settlement focused process

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Speaker: wonder.

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Okay.

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So you're part of the

collaborative law group probably.

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And yes.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Wonderful.

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I love that.

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I love that idea and I love to know

that you're out there because I am

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not legally representing, I'm working

with both of the parties to come to

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agreements, and I always recommend

that they, at least one of them.

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Have, uh, an attorney and I

love it when it's someone like

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you who gets it, who gets that.

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They don't wanna fight and understands

that they might do things that, 'cause

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sometimes you can send them to an attorney

and they'll be like, well, I can get this.

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And, and it like, yeah, you

can if you wanna fight and.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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I have my list.

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I have my short list of trusted

attorneys who I always just tell clients

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they will advocate for you, they will

support you, they will do everything

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that they need to and are ethically

obligated to do as your attorney.

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They just won't mess anything up for

the pure purposes of like lawyering.

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Um, oh, and I've seen that.

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Yes.

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And it's fear that people have

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Speaker: too many times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they watch

things on TV and it, you know,

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it doesn't have to be that way.

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Lawyers are not all like that.

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There really is an And

some are opportunity.

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Yeah, some are.

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Some are

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Speaker: and some aren't.

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So I'm glad to know

you're there because, um.

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You know, my clients are always looking

for someone to just kind of go through the

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paperwork and file it for them, so, right.

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It's good to know that you are out there

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Speaker 2: and getting back to what you,

um, were talking about, like, it's always

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good to have some legal information.

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I always like to kind of frame.

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For clients who are able to make

decisions for themselves, that they're

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really gonna decide and make their final

decisions based on three different things.

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The facts, I mean, you have to

understand what's there, and then

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you do have to understand the law.

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You have to understand how would

this be looked at by a court.

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And then the third element is, you

know, what just feels right and

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what you're willing to agree to.

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And everyone balances those different, you

know, some clients really feel like, well,

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you know what the law says feels right to

me and I wanna stick and kind of be sort

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of in line with what a court would do.

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And other people are able to say,

even though I understand that's what

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a court would do, I'm comfortable

doing something different.

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So balancing those three

things are what I feel like.

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All clients should do, whether they

have legal representation or not.

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Understanding the law is kind of key.

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Speaker: I, I so agree.

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And that's where, and I know it's

hard, you're going through a hard time.

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Probably the last thing you wanna do is

like, listen to a podcast about divorce.

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Or, you know, some people want to,

and some people wanna bury their head

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in the sand, but if you can take that

extra effort, I know so many people

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that are so sorry that they didn't

put more effort into their divorce

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because they just wanted to get it done.

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And so I love that you said that.

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So the facts.

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One is the facts, two is the law,

and three is what feels right.

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Your gut, you know?

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Yeah.

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And when you can work together.

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That's amazing.

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And Kimberly, I want you to know that

I too have those clients where I don't

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feel like mediation is a good fit.

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There are clients where maybe one person

doesn't feel like they have a voice.

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Uh, you know, maybe there one person just

feels like they need to be represented.

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So I agree that we love those attorneys.

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We need attorneys.

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Um, I mean, I would, I always recommend

it even when they have a real cordial

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situation, just to have someone, you

know, look through the paperwork and,

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and another set of eyeballs on it,

because I'm not doing that for them.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely agree, and

there are, you know, there are those

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cases in which, like you said, they

come to me for an amicable situ, you

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know, settlement or for mediation and

they don't want attorneys involved.

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And I, I think the best thing we can do

as professionals is be honest about the

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type of support that they need, right?

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We should not be pushing more

support than they need because

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everyone wants to be cost conscious.

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I don't care how much somebody

might have in assets or resources.

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Spending it on your divorce is

not what anybody wants to do.

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So we wanna be cost effective and

efficient, but getting the right support

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and the right education is kind of key,

I think for, for anyone going through it.

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Speaker: Amen.

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It's, it's so important, and I

do love it when couples can work

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together when they have kids.

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I don't know if you've seen that a

lot, but I, oh, I highly advocate

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for people working together.

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I don't know Kimberly, I don't

have divorce in my background.

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Um, you know, I just, I've

been through hard things, but I

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haven't been through a divorce.

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Yep.

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Uh, I say I have had near near

divorce, divorce experiences.

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I think anybody has, almost everyone has.

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Yes, yes, I agree.

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But have you experienced

it personally in your life?

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Speaker 2: No, it's, that is

a great question actually.

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No, I, I am not, I know there are a lot

of professionals who feel sort of called

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to this work because of their own personal

experiences, which I think is, can be

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really valuable for clients to have that

sort of personal connection with, you

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know, a professional who may have gone

through some of the things that they have.

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Um, I do not personally have it in

my experience, or really even in

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my extended family, I'm not mm-hmm.

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A child of divorce.

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Um, I really did fall into this work.

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As I said, I wasn't even planning as

a lawyer, you know, as a baby lawyer.

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I did not have family law in my future.

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That was not what I was planning on doing.

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Um, I fell into it because

of really, I feel like the

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meaningful connections mm-hmm.

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That I can make for clients and it.

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It's so much more personal, the

outcomes that we're working on than

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any other law, I feel like in, in my

view, you know, maybe criminal law.

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But, um, you know, when I used to

do business work and my clients were

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either business owners or, you know,

the, the legal representation of

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a company and, you know, if things

went well or things didn't go well,

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you know, maybe it impacted their.

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Year end bonus, but it didn't

impact their lives in the

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same way that family law does.

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And so, you know, I'm a parent.

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I, I think I pride myself on quality

relationships, healthy relationships,

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raising kids in really great environments.

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That doesn't always mean

one nuclear household.

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It just means areas in

which the kids can thrive.

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And so part of me feels

drawn to just helping.

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Conflictual situations or situations that

don't feel right, get to a better spot.

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Um, I come from a family actually

in the medical field and so

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I've often sort of adapted the

hippocratic oath of Do no harm.

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And so many times I feel like divorce if

you end up in a conflictual litigation.

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You know, situation, it often gets

worse before it gets better, and I

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just sort of vowed that I wanted to

do this work in a manner that by the

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time one client or both clients came to

me and said, we wanna move forward in

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separating our families or divorcing,

I wanted that to be the low point and

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say, okay, you've made this decision.

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What can I do to now

help the rest of this?

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Process be moving towards better.

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And I, I genuinely feel like

that's what I've tried to do.

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That's my mission with everything

that I'm doing now, is just to

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continue that, do no harm, and

help people get to a better spot.

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Speaker: I love that.

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I, and I, I too, I wanna be the

starting block to a better life.

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From that point, I wanna just move

forward and I wanna help them through

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this hard time because it's not gonna be

easy, but when you do it well, it can be.

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Kind of beautiful and creative

and um, and people can feel really

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good about it, which is doing

divorce differently, isn't it?

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It really

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Speaker 2: is.

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And it's, I always say it's taking

the clients where they're at.

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Um, I don't know how much you, so in the

collaborative, you know, world Stew Webb.

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Started collaborative

many, many years ago.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I know him quite well, but

there's this story about the very

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first collaborative divorce that

he did and it was beautiful and

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it all worked out really well.

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And at the end of it, the clients

who, you know, both had attorneys

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and had worked out this resolution,

they turned to him and they sort

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of said like, what happens now?

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Like, they were waiting for some

sort of like ceremony and he just

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made one up and he brought in a.

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And he took the plant and he separated

it into two smaller plants and

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they each planted their own plant.

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That sort of came from something

together and turned into beautiful

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new little life forms and stuff.

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And it was just his, you know, he was

following kind of his Buddhist ways of

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like, whatever the clients need, we wanna

provide for them, because I do feel like

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they can move into something that can

be, you know, really beautiful or mm-hmm.

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At a minimum, it's not

as bad as I think people.

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Worry about or how it can

go if, if you don't have the

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right professionals involved.

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Speaker: exactly.

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It truly can be an opportunity,

a huge opportunity for growth.

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Okay, so now I wanna ask you more about

part wise, I did get on that website.

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So tell people, and I'll have it in the

show notes, Kimberly, if they wanna take

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a look at this, how do they find it?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so it is, um,

part wise, which is part dash

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wise, so just www part-wise.com.

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Um, and part wise came about a

little bit during Covid, and then

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afterwards I was finding more and

more clients who were coming to me.

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Terribly uneducated, um,

or, or almost mm-hmm.

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Pointed in the wrong direction

in an effort to learn more.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, and certainly in today's society, like

you can jump online and you can Google

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any question and you will get an answer.

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Whether or not it's an accurate answer

or not is, is left up to interpretation.

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So I started thinking about.

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Sort of anyone who is thinking

about divorce, going through it or

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supporting someone else as they're

going through it, what would be most

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helpful to them in those earlier stages?

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Uh, and so education, I mean, I'm,

I'm a sucker for education, as

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you can tell by me continuing, you

know, divorce is really financial.

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Why don't I go spend a year

getting a financial degree?

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Yeah.

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Um, and I just felt like nobody will

be at a deficit by learning more.

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And so if I could provide an easy to use.

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Available 24 hours a day resource.

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That is really kind of everything

you could ever want to know

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about divorce in one place.

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Uh, that was the concept and that

that's what's behind part wise.

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So it is really that, it's a,

it's a divorce education resource.

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It's only education.

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It's not selling, it's subscription based.

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So you get on it and you, there is a cost

associated with excess, but we're not.

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Nobody's gonna call you.

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You're not hiring anybody,

there's no services involved.

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You're not getting divorced on the site.

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Mm-hmm.

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But you can walk through either in a very

linear way, every element of divorce,

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or you can just search and, and hang

out in kind of whatever areas you want.

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Whatever your hot button questions

might be, you can find any

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answers that you want on par wise,

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Speaker: gosh, that is

such a great resource.

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And you know, we were just

telling people to get educated.

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What better way?

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Then to go to something, what,

what made you call it part wise?

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Speaker 2: Um, honestly, my daughter

and I were on a vacation and we

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were hanging out in the pool and

we said, let's come up with a name.

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And we spent about an hour throwing

together all different words and uhhuh.

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We would find great names and

then we would look 'em up and be

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like, oh, it's already, somebody's

already got that name, or somebody's

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all got this name right, but.

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But it, once we landed on it, I actually

love the name because it really mm-hmm.

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Is about separating with education

and just knowing what you're doing.

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Um, and I think for people who are

scared and worried and making these

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really important, big decisions mm-hmm.

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Just feeling a little bit more confident

and a little bit more prepared to

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enter into those conversations.

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So, you know, it's not

in lieu of an attorney.

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In fact, there's a whole section

about how to determine if you need

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an attorney, how to find one, how to

work efficiently with an attorney, um,

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all of the other professionals, you

know, what is a divorce coach, what

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is A-C-D-F-A, and how can you mm-hmm.

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Use one.

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Mm-hmm.

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Everything is kind of there and then

it gets into the nuts and bolts, you

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know, how do you deal with retirement

or value your house or support?

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There's template.

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I saw there were some

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Speaker: financial aspects there.

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I mean, do you actually have

spreadsheets that people can

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work through for their budgets?

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Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There's templates in

there, and then there's content

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that walks you through everything.

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I mean, what is a budget?

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What is everything you might

wanna consider in a budget?

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Um, and it, it gets into the nuts and

bolts and it's sort of, it's provided at

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different del So there is a video that,

that might be three or four minutes long.

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There's sort of an outline with bullet

points and maybe some worksheets.

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And then there is sort

of the textbook version.

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If you wanna read paragraphs

and paragraphs, you can mm-hmm.

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The goal is to really provide it in ways

that will be most useful for the user.

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Um, and really something you can bookmark

and come back and save the pieces that

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are gonna be most relevant to you and,

and skip the parts that just don't

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really matter at that point in time.

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Speaker: Right, right.

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Gosh, that sounds good.

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Have you thought about doing

an app or do you have Um,

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Speaker 2: we're.

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It, it is in process of becoming mobile,

you know, having a mobile app for it.

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Yeah.

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Um, and then there's also the

newest piece that we're adding

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because it is nationwide.

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Speaker: That's, that was

gonna be my next question.

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So it's not just Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: No, it is not just

Minnesota, it's nationwide.

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Um, but because, you know, I'm not

providing legal advice on it, right?

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It's legal education.

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Um, right now it's somewhat general.

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The content on there, differentiating

between what type of state you're in.

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So if you're in an equitable

state or community property state,

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it gives you that background.

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Um, we are in the process of adding state

specific information, so there will be.

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If you get onto it and you're in

Iowa, there will be a page for

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Iowa as well as resources and where

to go in that state specifically.

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So within.

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I'm gonna give myself 30 to 60 days.

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It'll all be up.

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Right now we're starting, um, we've been,

you know, we've got 15 or 20 states dones.

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Speaker: That is so amazing.

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That's a lot of work because I know

I looked into that, um, as far,

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because I have that online course for

a do it yourself divorce course and.

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That it's very detailed, but I

think that part wise, I think you

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can be general when you're giving

the information about divorce.

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I think that someone from Arkansas

that comes in and listens to

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or goes on part wise because

there's not that much different.

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You know what I mean?

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Like I think that the

information kinda stands firm.

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So I can see where you could go national.

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Yeah, and it

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Speaker 2: does, and in every

state in the US you can contract

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around what the court would do.

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So, you know, even if your law says

X, you could come to part wise and

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realize here are some common ways.

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You know, for example, on

part wise, we have, uh, really

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specific examples on retirement.

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Here are different ways

to deal with retirement.

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Um, so you can look at all that and

regardless of what your state would do, as

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long as you're educated and know what your

state would do, you might like some of the

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ideas that are on part wise and be able to

say, this is how we're agreeing to do it.

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Um, and the other piece, as you know.

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So many people, I mean, it's

50% in many states mm-hmm.

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Are pro se or unrepresented.

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Yeah.

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So this provides an opportunity for

the people who feel like they don't

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need attorneys or don't wanna pay for

attorneys, or whatever their reason

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may be for representing themselves.

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This is a really cost-effective way

to just get some information and

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feel a little bit more confident in

the decisions that they're making.

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Speaker: Right.

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Well, and Kimberly, I even

think it's a great idea if.

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You're both hiring attorneys, you're

gonna save money if you are educated, your

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attorney's not going to have to educate

you and you're not gonna have to spend

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that hourly fee getting information that

you can find on a place like part wise.

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So I love that you're doing that.

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Um, it just seems like such

a helpful thing for people.

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So I love that you've taken your life.

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And you've, you know, real, really,

I, I, I love people who serve, you

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know, you're here to serve other people

and help them through a hard time.

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So I'm, so, I feel so blessed

to have talked to you today.

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Um, just you Yeah.

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And I am, I'm excited.

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To, because even in my mediation practice,

I love people to have, I try to give

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them as much information as I can before

because I want them to come in having an

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idea of what they can talk about regarding

finances or what to do about the home.

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So, um, I think it's gonna be a

great resource for my clients too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.

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And we do, we have attorneys now who

are partnering with us who are giving

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a discount on their startup costs.

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You know, a lot of attorneys

have a startup cost.

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We'll give a discount if they get a

membership to, part wise, because like

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you said, I always say there is no

attorney or or any professional who

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is available to you 24 hours a day.

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For, you know, a very nominal cost, right?

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It's just not there.

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But here, you know, if you have your

question at one in the morning that's

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keeping you up at night, jump on here.

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Yeah.

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There's 450 glossary terms.

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There's short question and answers.

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That's kind of every

question you could think of.

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And if it's not on there, ask it

and we will answer it for you.

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And it'll be up there before you can, you

know, before you get too nervous about it.

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So it really, oh, I love that.

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To enhance the work that people

are doing, even with professionals.

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Speaker: Yeah.

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So you're actually responsive on it.

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It's not, I mean, you get in

there and answer questions,

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people can connect with you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we try to be, um,

and we've got a social media presence

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as well that we're building up, that

we're trying to be responsive to.

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But there are so only so

many hours in the day.

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I know.

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So it's usually a slow response,

but within a day or two you

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will get answers to question.

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I don't think that's

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Speaker: that slow.

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Kimberly, I think it's wonderful

what you're doing and I can't wait

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to chat with you more about it.

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And listeners, I'm gonna put

your connections on social.

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I know we met on LinkedIn, so Yes, we did.

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Check out part wise and, and

Kimberly Miller and Kimberly,

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thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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This was great.

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Speaker: Take care.

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You too.