Navigating Divorce with Special Needs Challenges: Dr. Price’s Insights on Justice and Inclusion

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Welcome listeners.

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I feel blessed that you're here today

and I'm so thankful, these amazing

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people that I get on my podcast

and we're gonna learn so much.

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I've got.

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Dr.

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Margaret Price with me and Margaret.

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Can I call you Peggy?

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I think I can.

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Please do.

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Yes.

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So, and this is a thing we're

gonna get to know Peggy a lot more

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through our conversation through

this 30 minutes or so, but the

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reason she's, um, really sparked my

curiosity is she's, um, an attorney.

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She's done divorces, I believe, Dr.

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Price.

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Have you been divorced?

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Yes.

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Here's the thing that really stuck

out to, stuck out to me was that you

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specialize in special needs children

and cases, and I might, you're gonna

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make me better at what I do because

when I mediate, I do have those cases

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once in a while and they're tricky.

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And, um, I, you know, I don't always know.

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I have to learn as I go.

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So this podcast is gonna be about.

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Special needs kiddos going through divorce

and it's gonna be a really fun story.

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We're gonna get to know Peggy.

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So Peggy, welcome.

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Um, you've got a lot of education,

you're an attorney, but not only are

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you an attorney, you're a professor, you

also are a trained, trained therapist.

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Autism.

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Autism, and I'm assuming

you were passionate about

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that because of your child.

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Is that true?

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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I have now a young adult child with autism

who was diagnosed back in the: 1990

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in what they call the dark ages of autism.

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Speaker: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: We've come, that's when

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Speaker: my oldest kiddos were

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Speaker 2: born.

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So I get that era.

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Yes.

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And I got divorced when my

child was six years old.

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Oof.

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And still nonverbal.

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And that was, you would think

it was a tough divorce because

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the father is also an A lawyer.

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Oh, I didn't know that.

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No, but what I explain to

people is generals hate war.

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Yeah, because they've lived it.

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They've seen it.

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Same thing with a lot of lawyers.

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We know how ugly a divorce can

get, so ours was totally civilized.

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Yay.

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Speaker: I love your story

because you know I'm doing divorce

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different, that's what I talk about.

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That's all I wanna talk about.

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So listeners, if this is the

only thing you get out of

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today, you can do this amicably.

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If you both put your minds to it.

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Speaker 2: It often helps to

have some it, because usually a

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divorce is not with lawyers on

both sides as the parties, right.

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So it usually helps to

have a third person who.

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Doesn't want to pour

gasoline on the flames Yep.

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To guide the parties through

to have a civilized divorce,

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especially if they have children.

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Mm-hmm.

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Whether those children have special

needs or not, because the, the

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parents need to work together for

the rest of their lives mm-hmm.

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On raising the child and, you

know, you don't stop being a

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parent when your child turns 18.

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Right, and I, I saw far too many

tragic cases when I was practicing law.

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I'm full-time academia now, um, in

which I would warn my client and

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in, in the hearing of the other

other party, that one day their

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child would graduate high school.

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Graduate college, get married,

have kids, did they want to ruin

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all of those moments because of a

temporary fight during the divorce?

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Right?

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Because those fights, those

battles destroy relationships

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and it's not fair to the kids.

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Nope.

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So we, so we had an

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Speaker: amicable divorce.

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Good for you.

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And so I, I'm hoping that we can help

people with that, but I'm hoping that

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as we go on our journey here and learn a

little bit more about this, we can also

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help someone who isn't as fortunate and

maybe doesn't have, because you know,

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it has to be voluntary on both sides.

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And so if you're in this with someone

who's not very voluntary, then let's.

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Get to how we can, because that, I imagine

how hard that would've been, Peggy.

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Oh yeah.

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If you, you know, I mean, I

can't, I, I can't even imagine.

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Speaker 2: Well, what I realized

immediately after the divorce,

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'cause it only took a couple

of months, it was non-tested.

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But I, I realized immediately

afterward that if I weren't already

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a lawyer handling divorces and if I

weren't already an autism therapist

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for several years at that point.

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I would not have had a clue

about the issues that needed

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to be handled in the divorce.

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A lot of people silo their lives.

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Here's their divorce and it's

separate from everything else.

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Here's their child.

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Their child is separate from the rest

of their lives, and that's not life.

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Right?

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It's holistic and so.

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There are issues that must be at

least looked at during a divorce

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for the best interest of the child.

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And that's supposed to be the

standard in American family courts,

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the best interests of the child.

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Speaker: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: And if the unique needs

of a child with special needs

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are not addressed and addressed

appropriately during the divorce,

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the child's needs will not be met.

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The child and the caregiver

parent could live in poverty

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for the rest of their lives.

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We don't want that.

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No.

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That's not what our society wants.

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Speaker: So let's, let's dig into that.

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Let little bit

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker: Um.

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So say we've got some listeners and they,

they don't even know where to begin.

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You know, they, they're like, okay,

we're, we're getting divorced.

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Either they've got someone who's

gonna work with them or they don't,

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and they have this special needs

kiddo and you're already wiped

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out from the divorce probably.

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Right?

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And then you've gotta think

about this additional piece.

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And my guess is that there are things

that you're gonna have to think about

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even more than you do when you're just.

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Doing a parenting plan for your

kids who don't have special needs.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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How does someone, how does someone figure

those things out and what are they?

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Speaker 2: Well, one of them is

financial and a lot of divorces

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have money problems at their root.

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If there wasn't enough money to go

around for one household, now how on,

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how on earth is it going to work for two?

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And if you have a child with

special needs, it's often more

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expensive because if and special

needs, I don't limit that phrase.

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Only to autism.

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I mean, it could be my question too.

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Yes.

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It could be a child with cancer.

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It could be a child with diabetes who

has to be on a special nutritional

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regimen and have to have blood work

their, their blood levels checked

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multiple times through the day.

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They might have to have

insulin injections.

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There are medical visits, copays,

deductibles, all those things that.

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The additional financial challenges

of raising a child with whatever

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type of special need should

be addressed in the divorce.

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The standard child support

charts don't cover this.

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There is often in, in many states,

aligned for extraordinary expenses.

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But those often get used for trust

fund babies going to private school.

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Speaker: You know, it's so funny, Peggy,

that you're talking about as you're

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talking about this, something popped into

my head and I thought this is interesting.

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So when I was young, I had, um,

a cousin who is exactly my age.

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Good, good friend.

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He's, um.

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He was in a horrible car accident

and had, uh, had a brain injury.

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Uh, he's, you know, functioning okay.

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They state they didn't divorce.

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But what if you don't?

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What if something like that happens?

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Mm-hmm.

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Then, I mean, that's not even something

I ever talk about with clients.

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I mean, that's, you know, they've got so

much on their minds, and you know what?

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That's nothing I've ever even thought

of until just now sitting here with you.

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Speaker 2: And that is another

category of special needs.

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Yeah.

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Where a person has a, a traumatic

accident and long-term impacts from it.

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They might not be able to

live independently ever.

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Right.

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Maybe they can work part-time, but.

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A person can't survive on a part-time

job, or maybe they need a life coach to

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handle their money or their, you know,

living expenses, how to budget, how

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to pay bills, those kinds of things.

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How to not be ripped off by people

who would see them as a target.

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Speaker: So how, how does a couple or a

person going through a divorce wrap their

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hat around what these future expenses

are and how do they, how do you draft

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that so that it goes into the future?

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Speaker 2: Uh, it is hard to think of

everything that you need to include.

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Mm-hmm.

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Luckily, I did write a law

book for lawyers and judges,

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and I wrote a parent guide.

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As another book, and this one

obviously is for parents to educate

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them on if you have, first of all,

here's what a special needs child is.

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A lot of people don't think of their

children as having special needs.

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Speaker: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: And I would ask, well,

do they have an IEP at school?

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An individualized educational plan?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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They don't hand those

out like candy, right?

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There's a reason why your child

needs additional accommodations

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in order to succeed in school.

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We need to delve into that

and think about how that might

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impact their life down the road.

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Will they be able to go to college?

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Will they be able to have a career?

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Will they be able to make enough

money to support themselves?

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So first for parents to realize, oh, I

have my, I, I have a child with needs

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that need to be addressed in the divorce.

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Yep.

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And then so if they've, if they realize

their child's in that category mm-hmm.

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Then it goes into how it can impact the

child's life currently and down the road,

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how it can impact their siblings lives.

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Because being the sibling of someone with

special needs is interesting as well.

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Yes.

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And a lot of times those children get kind

of shuffled off to the side because there

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aren't enough hours in the day to spend

adequate time with all of the children.

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If one or more have special needs and

one or more do not, which is why the

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parenting plans also need to have.

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Uh, great detail on, on, uh,

visitation and custody schedule.

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You can't just, it, it's bad enough

that a lot of these cases just get

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the cookie cutter preprint printed,

you know, four or six page form and

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one parent gets holiday schedule a,

one parent gets holiday schedule B.

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It's bad enough when that happens, when

there's a child with special needs.

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Putting them in that cookie cutter.

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But when you also have a child or

children who do not have special

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needs, you're putting both groups in

the same schedule and that's wrong.

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Speaker: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: And there are quick

fixes to a lot of these things.

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I mean, we could sit here for

days talking about some of this.

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Can you give me, can

you give me one example?

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Sure.

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Let's say that you have a detailed

parenting plan that minimizes transitions,

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because those are usually mm-hmm.

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A, a challenge for a child with special

needs, and you work really hard on making

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the schedule, the parenting schedule.

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Uh, modified to meet the,

the child with special needs,

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what their unique issues are.

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Then you add for each parent separately.

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Let's say you have one child with cerebral

palsy and another child who is typical

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Speaker: mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: The, the parenting plan

can be crafted around the child with

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cerebral palsy, and then you can

add for each parent with the typical

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child, they get individual one-on-one

time scheduled once or twice a month

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for a three or four hour block.

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If you think about the moments

that stand out from your childhood.

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They weren't a solid week at a time.

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They were the moments.

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And when a parent gets the freedom to

spend a few hours once or twice a month

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with the typical child and not being

distracted by meeting the needs of the

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child with special needs, that's when

they build memories that last a lifetime.

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Speaker: Mm-hmm.

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That's great information.

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And um, and as I'm sitting here,

my head is spinning because, so

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I have, I have a great parenting

plan course for typical kids.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, and I, I always, you know,

I, I tell people if, if you can

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do anything together, do that

together and then, you know.

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Fire away with attorneys and, but okay.

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So I feel like, okay,

what do I add something?

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If they get this guide from you,

will they be able to, who do they

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go to for this parenting plan?

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That's what I'm wondering.

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Speaker 2: Well, the parent guide

that I wrote educates parents on

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how to best work with their lawyers.

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Okay.

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To adv to advocate for their children.

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And it explains, so they would go

through their lawyer or if they

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were using a mediator, mediator,

that's what they would go through.

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And it, it also explains to the parents

that, uh, like the types of evidence

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that will be most compelling to the

court, often one parent is in denial.

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Oh, there's nothing wrong with my kid.

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Yes.

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And then the other parent is

knocking themselves out and

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making it their life mission to do

everything possible for the child.

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So the parent who's in denial says

that the other parent is exaggerating.

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Doing this for attention, making

a mountain out of a molehill.

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I'm sure you've heard all of

these things dozens of times in

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cases that you've handled well.

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Each side could spend thousands

of dollars hiring experts to

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say what they want them to say.

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Right.

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And the judge is going to, in at

least on an intellectual level,

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if not verbally dismiss the weight

of both experts as a he said, she

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said, which is so common in divorce.

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Mm-hmm.

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So what you need is an unbiased

third party with no skin in the game.

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That's the school district.

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The school district must provide

under a DA accommodations and, uh,

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for under education law for people

with special needs, they must provide

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appropriate accommodations so that

they can succeed in public school.

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K through 12.

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Speaker: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: In some states, they also

provide it for non-public school.

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And in order to formulate the IEP

first, they do a battery of tests

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on the child, and then they write up

these long reports with diagnoses, with

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conclusions, and with a plan, an IEP.

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Individualized educational plan.

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Now, school districts are

always strapped for money.

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They are not going to say, oh, this child

needs 20 hours of pullout therapy a week.

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Because of

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what people would consider

extraordinarily minor issues.

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They will try to satisfy

the letter of the law.

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With the minimum amount of therapy

they can, they're going to be very

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conservative because they have a lot of

needs for every dollar that they receive.

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Speaker: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: So they're trying to stretch

their dollars and they're IEP and their

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evaluations and their testing reports.

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The judge will look at those and you

know, judges are in the real world.

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They know about the financial

constraints of school districts.

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They know it's not

going to be exaggerated.

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And so when I would have

an IEP brought into court,

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the judge would pour over it.

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To find out exactly what is the real

situation for this child because

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the parents often do disagree.

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Speaker: Okay.

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So that's a really, yeah.

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Very, very good.

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Unbiased third party, if

that's available to you.

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I'm gonna guess that there are times

when that, that isn't available to

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people and then, and then you, it

probably gets a little bit trickier.

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Speaker 2: mean, you, we, you don't pick

when your marriage is going to fall apart.

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Mm-hmm.

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And if you have a child who is at

an age where they're just starting.

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To exhibit behaviors or symptoms that make

a parent question and they haven't had a

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full evaluation yet or a formal diagnosis.

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Mm-hmm.

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That's tricky.

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So what, what I recommend to parents

at that time is make it part of

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the record that this is a pending

and emerging issue, and then when.

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There is an evaluation and

a formal diagnosis, there's

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always the motion to modify.

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Speaker: Okay.

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Yep.

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Which is, I'm assuming what people

do if they run into an issue later

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on in life with a child who's in a

horrible accident or whatever it is.

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Right?

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Or a child condition

becomes much more severe.

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Right.

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Or, you know, prayers

going or, or better, yes.

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Speaker: Yep.

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Yep.

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Okay, so now I wanna talk a little bit

about, um, child support's gotta be

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different because child support is gonna

cover those kiddos until they're like 18.

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What happens with these kids and,

and how do you, how do you set that

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up if you're not working together?

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Speaker 2: That's tough.

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And even if you are and you

have a settlement agreement.

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That states that the, uh, because of the

child's special needs, and it enumerates

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exactly what the formal di formal

diagnosis is that, uh, this child might

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not, that the standard age of emancipation

might not be appropriate with this

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child, but you can't tell the future.

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So you don't know, right.

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Um, raising the issue, it won't stop.

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A, a very common situation of down

the road, the other parent becomes

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involved with, another person gets

married again and says, oh, hey,

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now I have a new family to support.

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So this child support needs to stop.

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Speaker: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: You know, parenting plans

can't stop people from being human.

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Right.

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But not only is does the child

support need to be looked at on.

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Altering the date of emancipation

and maybe trying to, to give

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even the, the problem is you're

trying to nail jello to the wall.

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You and gel.

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Yeah.

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Jello to the wall.

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That might be 10 years down the road.

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Mm-hmm.

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The child say is eight.

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Right.

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Um, so what happens is you're

trying to predict the future.

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And that's hard.

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So maybe setting some kind of

benchmarks on whether the child

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is, when the child is actually

financially supporting themselves,

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child support will stop.

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Now, of course, the flip side, the

argument against that is well then

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the parent who's, who's the primary

caregiver parent in reality, if not.

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Formally called that in,

in, in the court papers.

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Um, we'll have the incentive to keep

the money flowing in to, to coddle

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the child and to, um, not right.

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Push them to be all that they can be.

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And that's a valid argument.

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Speaker: Hopefully most parents

are wanting their children

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to be all that they can be.

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Right?

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Speaker 2: But parenting plans need to

cover not only the child support, but.

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Special needs children have on

the average three times as many

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sick days as typical children.

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Speaker: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: Now, in the real world,

if the parenting plan does not

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say, divide the responsibility for

those sick day sick days fairly.

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What happens is often is that the

parent who makes more money says, well,

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I can't leave my job to go, you know,

stay home from school with a sick kid.

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Um, the other parent ends up now realize

this parent's already trying to live

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on less money than the other parent.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um.

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That parent then has the responsibility

for all those sick days, which means that

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they tend to frequently lose their jobs.

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They get fired because of too

many absences, and then they're

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looking for a new job frequently,

and you go in at entry level.

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Mm-hmm.

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And there are the issues of health

insurance for the parent as well

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as the child, because you're often

in a probationary period and.

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On saving for, uh, retirement.

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You might not be eligible for the

co company 401k plan until you've

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been there for a year or six months.

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Speaker: Well, yeah, and Peggy, that is

what is screaming in my head right now.

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What happens to that parent who has maybe

during the marriage been the primary care?

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Maybe they're not even working.

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Maybe they're the primary

caregiver for this child.

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What happens when you get divorced?

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I can't believe that I haven't had more

of these cases, interestingly enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of

people view the the special needs of

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the child separate from the divorce.

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This was between the parents, the

divorce was, and then the special needs.

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Well, those are something

that happened separately.

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Speaker: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: And, um, yes, it is

ex an extremely important issue

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because it can be so disruptive

of a parent's career when they are

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raising a child with special needs.

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Speaker: Well, and, and Peggy, I'm just

gonna say this on my own behalf, I feel

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like I was, my husband has a big job

and I was, and I wouldn't change it.

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I was primary for our three kiddos.

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I don't have the career I would've had if

I would have been completely focused on

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my career more than taking care of things.

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Mm-hmm.

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So I mean, I suppose, is that

an argument for maintenance?

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I mean, how does that,

how, how do you get that?

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Or getting more assets or, so that's

just my situation in a typical, but

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what happens when you are, you've agreed

that mom is going to take care of child.

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And it's a special needs

child and it's a big job.

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And then you, and you've been married

maybe 15 years and maybe child's 10.

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What happens to Tamma

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Speaker 2: or whoever's the one

approach and it, it really is.

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A challenge to try to figure out

the dollars and cents of this for

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down the road as well as current.

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One thing that I have seen parents do

is in the Quadro, the qualified domestic

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relations order to, to distribute

the retirement accounts counts.

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I have seen where some

parents have said, listen.

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I know I've been away from

the home a lot working.

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I'm making lots of money, and you

are being the primary caregiver.

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And by the way, this has enough

nothing to do with gender.

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The, the primary caregiver might be

the, the mom or the dad, or there

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might be two moms or two dads.

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Mm-hmm.

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So nothing to do with gender.

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But the parent who has been the high

earner throughout the marriage, I have

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seen where sometimes they've said, it's

really important to me that you have

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the freedom to keep putting the time

in to take care of our child, and they

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will sign by agreement, sign a quadro

form that allocates more than 50%.

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Oh, the retirement account.

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So

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Speaker: that makes sense to me.

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And I can see, um, two people

who care for their child.

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But then I think of how messy it

gets if you have to fight about it.

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If this becomes a fight mm-hmm.

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In court,

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I mean that's,

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Speaker 2: that, that'd be tough.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Because it's what I advocate.

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When I speak at CLEs at law conferences,

or when I speak in podcasts or in my

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books, I'm advocating for deviation,

yes, from the standard procedure.

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The standard way of distributing the, the

money, the assets, the time, all of that.

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And you know, as well as I do, judges

don't like to be appealed and they

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don't like to be reversed on appeal.

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Mm-hmm.

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And the legal system changes very slowly.

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I have seen improvement,

but it's, it's usually.

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A judge will deviate from cookie

cutter when they've lived it, when

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they have a child with special needs.

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One of the best judges I ever had, cases

in front of cases that involved special

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needs in family law disputes, had a

young adult son with a seizure disorder.

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He got it.

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Yeah.

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Speaker: And what we need is we need

judges to be able to, because we can't

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experience everything in life, right.

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So we need them to be open and empathetic

and to really, to really look at this.

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And we need strong advocates mm-hmm.

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Who are well versed to know where to turn,

um, when this kind of a case, you know.

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It comes to them, so, and, and so when

you practiced law, did you practice

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in this area, Peggy or geographic or

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Speaker 2: subject?

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Subject?

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This area?

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Yes.

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I had, I primarily did family law.

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Yep.

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And so did you have a lot of

these cases that you fought for?

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Well, the first special needs

divorce case I handled was my own.

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Right.

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And then after that, and I wrote

the law book for the American and

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Bar Association, um, word got around

locally where I was in the Midwest.

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Mm-hmm.

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And um, then it was like

the floodgates opening.

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So many people are in this situation

and they're just astonished.

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That it can be addressed in the divorce.

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Speaker: Yeah.

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And and

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Speaker 2: should be, should be, yes.

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Yes, yes,

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Speaker: yes.

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So, yeah.

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So let's, let's maybe use this

podcast to alert people that you

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know, lawyers and the general public.

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That this is something

that is really important.

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I, I'm telling, so we're going

over time, so I'm gonna need to

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put a pin in this, but I feel like

I kind of wanna have you back.

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I feel like I'm so grateful for

you, Peggy, because Thank you.

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You're making me a better mediator

and my brain is just moving right now.

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Thinking about that parenting plan

course that I had, thinking about

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wanting to address this more.

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Um.

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With clients, maybe with the public.

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So I'd love to have you back.

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I, I'm gonna read that, I'm gonna

read your book and I'd like, I'm

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gonna have it in the show notes,

so I'll have a link and if, and how

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: 00:32:11

can people find it if they're not?

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Um, in my show notes at the moment,

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Speaker 2: the Parenting the Parent Guide.

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Yeah.

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Which is, uh, divorce and

the special needs Child.

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: 00:32:23

A guide for parents.

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Uh, Jessica Kingsley,

publishers out of London.

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That's on Amazon.

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: 00:32:30

Okay.

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And the law books, 'cause there was

a first edition and then a second

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edition in which I added, uh, a section

on special needs adults and divorce.

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And I could spend another

hour talking about that one.

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: 00:32:48

Yeah.

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And crisis planning because of what

we learned going through COVID.

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Yep.

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Um, so you will want, you would

want to get the, the second

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edition that's also on Amazon.

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: 00:33:02

Okay.

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And that's the American Bar

Association is the publisher.

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All right.

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Awesome.

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Speaker: Peggy, thank you so much for

being here and sharing your story.

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I really, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for giving me the

opportunity to, uh, raise the issue and

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raise awareness with your listeners.

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I appreciate it.

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: 00:33:21

Speaker: Wonderful.

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Take good care.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, you too.